Amazingly enough they have managed to secure their airlines without banning bottled water and groping genitalia Because profiling separates the security line into an "easy" line and a "hard" line, and so the terrorists will just use the "easy" line by, e.
Step 3: Ban all people from flying Step 4: Climate wins! I fly all over the country bringing toner cartridges and Ink refills to needy executives all over the world The official announcement is still light on details, but the ban will apply to both carry-on and checked luggage and will affect "domestic and international flights in-bound to the United States.
The distinction between domestic flights and out-bound international flights makes no sense to me. If someone can target a domestic flight by assembling the toner-bomb in the US, why couldn't the same person target an international flight out-bound from the US?
Furthermore, is there any evidence that a toner cartridge and printer were selected for any particular reason? Is there any reason toner cartridges make for a particularly attractive bomb container?
If not, this seems worse than useless, since an attacker would simply select a different container while the screeners are busy looking for toner cartridges. If you want something with powder and some electronic circuits that looks "normal" to the airport security guy, then a toner cartridge is a perfect choice. Apparently ink and toner will still be allowed on flights out-bound from the United States. Good point; I'm sure they'll see the error of their ways if you explain that at the airport [xkcd.
It's not diminishing returns for TSA though. Every time a terrorist plot is uncovered they need to do -something- to make it look like they're doing something real. The reality is that if someone is determined enough and not a goddamn idiot, they are going to be able to bring down a plane.
Fortunately, the terrorists are idiots for now, but if most people realized how ineffective TSA was, we'd cut their funding dramatically and fire most of them.
Security theater actually works quite well for the actors and a gullible audience, though it does very little towards actually security. And box cutters And flight training where they were only interested in flying the plane and navigation, not takeoff and landing Look, your chances of having a Trent engine blowing up on you are greater than experiencing a Terrorist event I'm far more concerned about TSA's new pat-down procedure [crunchgear.
What I don't understand about the screaming to ban deadly packages flying by air mail is that for literally YEARS letter bombs have been on the scene. It blew the hand off a secretary who opened it up. Yes, there was an investigation, the police were called, the IRA condemned etc. Heck, these devices from Yemen didn't even explode and we're falling apart with fear! Because people are fundamentally unforgivable cowards, and much worse, so goddamned gullible that they actually believe the government can keep them safe in the absolute or near-absolute sense of the word.
We in the West all talk the Big Talk about how liberty is worth the risks and indeed, even at this time of year in many places recount how hundreds of thousands of soldiers went off to fight a couple of world wars to stop totalitarian regimes from making us all Very Safe , but no one really means it. Well, at least to the credit of those trying to protect air travel - It takes a lot less effort to severely damage an airplane at altitude thanks to the stresses of a pressurized cabin to the point where it will not fly than it does to damage a ship or train to the point where it causes massive loss of life.
Although due to derailment, a train is probably easier. So a small bomb can take down a plane, but can't necessarily take out a ship or train, especially if in a cargo area. People are making a lot of money off the fear industry. Chertoff, the former head of Homland Security, is a consultant for one or more of the companies that make the bomb detection and body scanning equipment that the TSA is mandating be used.
It's a consequence of the way we've been brought up, protected from everything bad and even bad thoughts, so once something does actually enter our consciousness it consumes everything.
Like someone who's lived in a bubble away from all germs all of a sudden meeting the common cold. I agree with most of your sentiment, but let's not forget that these bombs were defused minutes before going off, only thanks to a tip-off by a repentant Al-Qaida operative.
And each of these devices had enough explosive to significantly damage the fuselage of the aircraft. This one was a close, scary shave.
So hard to detect, that nowadays SEMTEX actually has stuff added to it so it can be detected more easily and it's export and use is highly restricted presumably why these guys decided not to actually use modern SEMTEX. Terrorist: "Well, I had this fancy bomb all put together and I was ready to blow myself and other people out of the sky, but then the damned TSA went and made it illegal to do that. Since I have an instinctive need to obey the laws of the infidels, I suppose my plan is right out the window.
Oh well. I guess I'll just walk down to the donut shop and gorge myself. Maybe I'll take up farming. Fava beans, anyone? Obviously, these toner cartridges were packed in some sort of suitcase.
Imagine that, a closed case on a plane that a terrorist could use to put any kind of horrible device. The only logical reaction is to ban all suitcases. This should also apply to duffle bags, backpacks and other forms of closed containers. Travellers will be encouraged to carry their clothes in big piles to the check in area where they will be looked through and any funny underwear will be lifted up high for everyone to laugh at. Then, the whole pile will be shovelled onto the airplane.
Luggage pickup areas will now have a dump truck back up to them and dump the cargo bin's contents onto the ground for traveller's to fight through. Make sure you write your name and address in big letters all over every piece of clothing in permanent ink. And remember, it might be a minor inconvinience but this and other measures like the upcoming "automatic strip searching for hot passengers" rule help keep the skies safe from terrorists. Nope, you have to fill your empty water bottles with toner powder and the toner carts with water.
But the water MUST be purchased after the security line, so only empty, water-tight toner carts are allowed through security. User Friendly has the answer [userfriendly.
I'm surprised that they haven't done this yet. All they're proving is that terrorism works. It makes life hell for the entire country. Mission accomplished! That a pilot who is sympathetic to the cause, couldn't bring weapons through security and pass them off to his co-conspirators so that they could use said weapons on a different plane.
It's just unthinkable, and you're a super-genius. There may be more comments in this discussion. Without JavaScript enabled, you might want to turn on Classic Discussion System in your preferences instead.
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Disturbing to see TSA still behind the curve. Score: 5 , Insightful. Share twitter facebook. Re: Score: 2. My solution is to drive. Re: Score: 3 , Interesting. Re:Disturbing to see TSA still behind the curve. Score: 4 , Funny. Parent Share twitter facebook. Score: 5 , Funny. Re: Score: 3 , Funny. Re: Score: 3 , Informative. Drive to Canada, and fly from there? Score: 5 , Interesting. The airlines lose money with every new silly TSA regulation because it makes it more and more unpleasant to fly.
Because of this, airlines have to cut costs to remain profitable which results in worse service which results in less people wanting to fly then the TSA comes up with a silly new regulation which makes it even more unpleasant to fly, and it goes on and on. Look at the positive end result, though: Eventually flights will be so expensive and unpleasant that only terrorists will fly on them, and then we can simply reroute all flights to go to a federal prison or internment camp.
Kinda makes you think that they really don't want people to travel by air, don't it? Score: 4 , Insightful. Re: Score: 3 , Insightful. If brains were explosives, they couldn't blow their nose. Says the guy bragging about his TS clearance to a largely foreign audience on the internet.
You didn't tell us, did they find anything bad? And yeah I some times do call her my "wife" Gimme a break, huh! Score: 4 , Interesting. Drug the passengers to unconsciousness and transport them in small containers. I don't know about you, but if I'm sitting naked on a plane I am sure I'll find something to do. How long before the "terrorists" simply start blowing up airports? Why go through the trouble of sneaking something onto a plane. You will yield much larger kill numbers blowing up entire terminals.
After all, the objective isn't blowing up planes, it's killing people. Planes just make it more spectacular. Clearly there have been none since I bought my terrorist-repellent rock. Define "Effective" Score: 5 , Insightful. Yes it would have. The terrorists would simply load up one or two aircraft with several firearms, overwhelming the one or two carrying civilians. If 'we' could carry, so could they. The approach comes dangerously close to a self-fulfilling prophecy.
You're talking about profiling people who are already on edge and classing them as enemies-of-the-state to be harassed, obstructed, and potentially arrested based on hearsay or potential. If somebody expects that they are now going to be harassed or even arrested for merely holding an opinion, that may be all the catalyst they need to go over the edge since it's essentially the same either way. If you're going to be treated like a second class citizen or even a criminal whether you act or not, why not act?
It decreases the psycho-social barriers and actually encourages rather the discourages the profiled behavior. Re:Gentleman's wager Score: 5 , Funny. Security Theater at its finest Score: 2 , Insightful. The illusion of security Score: 5 , Insightful. Which judging from the fact that the voters decided to promote bipartisanship by giving the GOP a majority in the house is pretty clearly out of the question.
Yep Score: 5 , Insightful. Re:Yep Score: 4 , Insightful. Cut the funding, and let apathy do the rest. But tea partiers don't want the TSA to go away. They fear those horrible mooslims. They want social security and universal healthcare, and state sponsored education to meet the chopping block first, because they're convinced that's the problem. Re:The illusion of security Score: 5 , Insightful. Home Security Theater Score: 4 , Insightful.
Is this why they shot holes in that one girl's laptop? Profiling is abhorrent. Let's not go any. We've Lost Score: 5 , Insightful. Re:We've Lost Score: 5 , Funny. It can get worse or better, depending on you view Just in time.
Score: 3 , Informative. I don't think these guys would be happy with their promotion being messed up. There goes my Xmas tradition Score: 2. See terrorists Clearly the answer is to ban the thing the bomb came in and search those things because we all know that everything is going to be the exact same and its going to make us be safer! Whats next?
Someone tries to put some explosives in gum therefore we ban gum while ignoring everything else? Its becoming increasingly obvious that the TSA is designed to cripple airlines, make comfortable travel nearly impossible, violate privacy all the while doing nothing to stop a real terrorist plot. Details of the ban make little sense Score: 5 , Insightful.
Re:Details of the ban make little sense Score: 5 , Funny. Diminishing returns The terrorists keep winning. I'm pretty sure we've done just about all we can do to protect ourselves without severely impeding our basic rights.
Basically, they keep winning despite not killing anyone. Re:Diminishing returns Score: 5 , Informative. Weren't the bombs on cargo planes? If so, why are we again punishing the passengers for no apparent reason? Haven't we annoyed and inconvenienced the flying public enough already? It gets worse Score: 5 , Interesting. As someone who has worked in the world's busiest airport during the world's busiest travel times over the past 5 years, every time I see the TSA ban stuff like this or add a new level of security it just makes me shake my head.
You know the old saying about locking the barn door after the horse escapes? That doesn't fully capture it. This is more like locking the barn door after the horse escapes through the giant fucking hole in the middle of the barn wall.
It does nothing to help what already happened and isn't going to solve the original problem at all. Let's cut to the chase Score: 5 , Funny. Let's just cut to the chase and ban people from airplanes. Every single terrorist plot involving hijacking or detonating an explosive aboard an airplane involved at least one person. By completely banning people from flights, it will make air travel completely safe.
This has the added benefit of allowing the TSA enough time to give everyone a full-cavity search since they no longer have to worry about being able to depart on time. After all, you never know where those terrorists might hide their explosives. Of course to do all of this in a timely manner, we'll need to double the number of TSA security personnel, but it's probably worth the extra hundred dollars just to know that the flight you can't take is completely safe from terrorists.
Can't put a price on piece of mind after all. What the hell is going on? Why has the US become a nation of panty-wetting idiots? I want to know I work with diesel fuel systems. If I need to send a failed fuel pump back to the factory in Germany, it has to go by boat. The tiny amount of fuel still left in the pump after it is cleaned will get detected, and I will get a friendly visit from law enforcement if I try to send it by plane.
Re:I want to know Score: 4 , Informative. Fuel gives off a very strong smell, making it trivial to detect :P. Luckily Score: 5 , Funny. Doesn't go far enough. Score: 3 , Interesting. Totally ridiculous, over bogus "toner bomb" plot.
Score: 3 , Insightful. This is so stupid. More security theatre. I think the real terrorists work in DC. Friday night frisking Score: 3 , Funny. I was going to have a few drinks and go throught the TSA lines a few times. The only problem is the airport has a no smoking policy. I would need a cigarette after the frisking. After reading this; Score: 5 , Informative.
Is it sufficient simply to notify the airport screener that their carry-on contains an inkjet printer? You will need to remove your printer from your checked luggage into one of the security trays, yes.
It's considered an oversized electronic device, and the TSA's entry on printers does mention the need for this. There's no need to remove the ink if you don't want to, as the TSA does claim that they allow you to bring them in your carry-on. If you have TSA PreCheck, however, you may not need to remove the printer from your bag, as one of the benefits of PreCheck is that you don't need to remove large electronics.
It's explicitly allowed, but I can't imagine that people often carry-on printers with them, so you might raise a few eyebrows. Print out those pages and have them on your person, and get to the checkpoint a little earlier than usual. Generally, with the "weirder" items, they don't do more than swab for explosives, but it's up to officer discretion.
If it's suspicious in the eyes of the officer, even after a further screening, the officer doesn't have to allow it still. I'm sure though at most large airports, the TSA officers have seen far stranger things go through the checkpoint, so a printer might not be that odd.
Now if you don't mind me, I'll be in the security line with my TSA-approved carry-on live lobster. Sign up to join this community.
The best answers are voted up and rise to the top. Stack Overflow for Teams — Collaborate and share knowledge with a private group. Create a free Team What is Teams? Learn more. Can I bring an inkjet printer in my carry-on? Ask Question. Asked 2 years, 11 months ago. Active 2 years, 11 months ago. Viewed 6k times. Though this answer relates to an OfficeJet too big to fit in a carry-on, it does warn: But more importantly, there was a bomb threat a few years ago that involved toner cartridges and thus the TSA has treated them in the past like potential bombs.
Will they face any difficulties with airport screeners? Improve this question. NNOX Apps. Could you just put it in Checked baggage? Just one comment - printers cost almost nothing in the US, if you're coming to the US.
Generally, with ALL electronics, I now take the approach to simply inform the security officers about the stuff I carry and let them tell me whether I need to take it out. I have once been "told off" for not taking my ebook-reader out; the next time I left from that same airport I mentioned the reader and was told to leave it in the bag What's with the downvotes?
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